WEBVTT NOTE Machine-generated captions; compare the recording for exact wording. 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:06.050 Good morning, I'm attorney Ben Crump along with attorney Lisa 00:00:06.050 --> 00:00:14.890 Park, attorney Eric Hertz, attorney Ahmaud Smith, attorney Christian Clark, and attorney 00:00:14.890 --> 00:00:19.230 Julie Winter, attorney Camila Moore. 00:00:19.230 --> 00:00:26.750 We have the honor of representing the family of Nolan Xavier Wells. 00:00:26.750 --> 00:00:39.630 As we told you on Tuesday, we would be having a press conference with our forensic expert 00:00:39.630 --> 00:00:42.910 and that time is now. 00:00:42.910 --> 00:00:56.550 We wanted to make sure that we continue to try to be very transparent and laser focused 00:00:56.550 --> 00:01:02.330 on what really happened to Nolan Wells. 00:01:02.330 --> 00:01:10.750 It's what everybody is talking about all across America and I found out yesterday while I was 00:01:10.750 --> 00:01:21.950 in New York at the United Nations General Assembly, I spoke on some panels where when 00:01:21.950 --> 00:01:32.630 Al Sharpton also addressed some dignitaries while at the UN during UN week and it was 00:01:32.630 --> 00:01:43.670 fascinating to me that diplomats from England, diplomats from France, and diplomats from Germany 00:01:43.670 --> 00:01:56.390 and diplomats from many African nations all came up to me and said, attorney Crump, we read 00:01:56.390 --> 00:02:02.510 the news accounts of the grand jury, we read the report. 00:02:02.510 --> 00:02:11.550 What really happened to Nolan Wells because we don't think that he drowned either. 00:02:11.550 --> 00:02:20.750 These are people all across the world asking what happened to Nolan Xavier Wells and so 00:02:20.750 --> 00:02:32.990 we continue, as I told them, we won't quit until we get to the truth. 00:02:32.990 --> 00:02:43.750 Today is another step on the journey to get to truth because I understood with our legal 00:02:43.750 --> 00:02:50.390 team to get to the truth of what happened to Nolan Wells on day one. 00:02:50.390 --> 00:02:58.330 It was going to take primarily two things to get to the truth of what happened to Nolan 00:02:58.330 --> 00:03:06.090 Wells on Horn Island in Mississippi on July 4th. 00:03:06.090 --> 00:03:17.010 It was going to, number one, take courage to speak truth to power and it was going to 00:03:17.010 --> 00:03:24.410 take courage to make sure you got the truth. 00:03:24.530 --> 00:03:33.450 Secondly, I knew for us to get to the truth, we were going to have to work with the very 00:03:33.450 --> 00:03:44.730 best experts and that's why we sought out through attorney Eric Hertz who is leading 00:03:44.730 --> 00:03:56.200 the investigation on behalf of our legal team, Andrew Garrett, and Garrett Discovery, one 00:03:56.200 --> 00:04:06.560 of the leading forensic experts as it relates to Discovery in all America. 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:15.040 Attorney Hertz will go into further detail about his credentials and about why the Department 00:04:15.040 --> 00:04:22.400 of Defense and the Department of Justice calls on Garrett's discovery when they have important 00:04:22.400 --> 00:04:27.520 matters, important matters of national interest. 00:04:27.520 --> 00:04:32.640 They call on Garrett Discovery and so did we. 00:04:32.640 --> 00:04:43.280 And you all know about Dr. Roger Mitchell who we will be talking with later about the 00:04:43.280 --> 00:04:45.200 mounting cause of death. 00:04:45.200 --> 00:05:00.640 But today it is about the extraction of the cell phone, the process that he did, the interactions 00:05:00.640 --> 00:05:14.840 that happened with Nolan's cell phone after he, after it left his possession and before 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:20.120 it was returned to his family. 00:05:20.120 --> 00:05:34.680 We know that the last text message that Nolan Xavier Wells sent was on July 3rd around 8.30 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:47.410 p.m. where he said thank you to his Auntie Gabby and what his parents and family shared 00:05:47.410 --> 00:05:57.170 with us, this was common because many, Nolan was like many teenagers. 00:05:57.170 --> 00:06:02.690 They don't use their mother and father text messaging. 00:06:02.690 --> 00:06:14.730 They use Snapchat and so they went through this process of the traditional text messaging 00:06:14.970 --> 00:06:22.810 and then they painstakingly and you're going to hear in detail how they manually had to 00:06:22.810 --> 00:06:33.370 retrieve the Snapchats and the fact that him and all of his friends, all his friend groups, 00:06:33.370 --> 00:06:41.210 all these high schoolers and young college students, they communicate on Snapchat. 00:06:41.210 --> 00:06:52.890 And so we have all of the Snaps, I mean all of them from his friend group, the district 00:06:52.890 --> 00:07:03.690 attorney office has them and soon as we got them finished from Andrew Garrett and his associates, 00:07:03.690 --> 00:07:06.650 we got them over to her. 00:07:06.650 --> 00:07:17.450 So they held all 282 pages of the Snaps and that's really important because there's Snaps 00:07:17.450 --> 00:07:24.850 between Nolan's friend groups and now we won't divulge any of their names for privacy 00:07:24.850 --> 00:07:31.650 purposes but they were very telling and very enlightening, these Snaps between their 00:07:31.650 --> 00:07:35.760 friend groups. 00:07:35.760 --> 00:07:49.840 It's really profound because not only did we retrieve the Snaps but also Andrew Garrett and 00:07:49.840 --> 00:07:59.880 his associates at Garrett Discovery were able to use location tracking of Nolan's cell phone. 00:07:59.880 --> 00:08:11.560 So we have a definitive timeline now based on the movement of the cell phone and Mr. 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:23.560 Garrett and you will see it with him and attorney Hertz goes through an automation video 00:08:23.560 --> 00:08:34.880 of the tracking of the movements of Nolan Wells cell phone because it is crucial that we find 00:08:34.880 --> 00:09:00.820 out what happened to Nolan Xavier Well's Snaps. 00:09:00.820 --> 00:09:09.110 The messaging as I said was very telling. 00:09:09.110 --> 00:09:20.750 I know a lot of people talked about people making about race, talking about race. 00:09:20.750 --> 00:09:26.230 You heard that from the district attorney statements. 00:09:26.230 --> 00:09:36.670 Well it is very interesting to note that not only were people across America concerned with 00:09:36.670 --> 00:09:45.390 the history of the state of Mississippi, whether race would be an issue but the messages 00:09:45.390 --> 00:09:55.110 on his phone in the Snaps will show some of his own friends were concerned about people 00:09:55.110 --> 00:10:01.900 on Horn Island can be racist. 00:10:01.900 --> 00:10:08.520 That's his friends discussing that on Snap. 00:10:08.520 --> 00:10:18.680 So yeah, a lot of people were thinking about whether there was a racial component in this 00:10:18.680 --> 00:10:29.860 tragedy of Nolan Wells being unalived and as we said, we don't know if it was racist 00:10:29.860 --> 00:10:41.460 or not, but what we do know is that his parents have never accepted that it was simply an accidental 00:10:41.460 --> 00:10:52.350 drowning and that nobody knows nothing, that nobody saw nothing. 00:10:52.350 --> 00:11:03.530 I mean with the blunt force trauma to his head, the abrasions to his back, those factors, 00:11:03.530 --> 00:11:16.250 our medical examiner believe cannot be discounted, cannot be just swept away. 00:11:16.250 --> 00:11:21.690 Not when you have a young 18 year old college student, football scholarship athlete in tip 00:11:21.690 --> 00:11:34.880 top shape who you say drowned and you look at the statistics of when the last person 00:11:34.880 --> 00:11:43.080 drowned on Horn Island and the depth of the water they claim he drowned in. 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:54.090 Dr. Roger Mitchell is going to discuss all of that with you all next week and as we 00:11:54.090 --> 00:11:58.410 said, we're just trying to get to the truth. 00:11:58.410 --> 00:12:07.610 We haven't accused anybody and we would hope that everybody who says they're Nolan's 00:12:07.610 --> 00:12:18.490 friends won't deal with distractions but would be laser focused like us and get to the truth 00:12:18.490 --> 00:12:25.850 of what happened to Nolan and Xavier Well's, their classmate. 00:12:25.850 --> 00:12:33.290 We hope that everybody will focus on that and not focus on distractions. 00:12:33.290 --> 00:12:46.020 So we have snaps again from friends in the friend group, the snaps disappear but thankfully 00:12:46.020 --> 00:12:53.620 because we have one of the best forensic experts in America, he was able to go and retrieve 00:12:53.620 --> 00:12:59.500 those snaps, snaps that probably the people who sent them can't even get now because 00:12:59.500 --> 00:13:15.300 they disappear and so one of the snaps conversations talked about, do you all remember real sketchy 00:13:15.300 --> 00:13:20.420 looking guys behind us in two boats? 00:13:20.420 --> 00:13:30.140 I mean like, yeah, that one that looked like, and I won't say the name, maybe, apparently 00:13:30.140 --> 00:13:41.120 the guy was real skinny, the ones that were right behind us, yes, yes, one was black and 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:43.360 one was white. 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:53.840 Well those guys were apparently like felons or something, at least one of them and they 00:13:53.840 --> 00:14:06.940 were there when we were all gone, I think, are you sure, yes, they were. 00:14:06.940 --> 00:14:13.180 My dad, and I'm not calling any of the names because we're trying to protect the privacy, 00:14:13.180 --> 00:14:21.570 my dad had to walk this lady to her boat because she knew one of them and sheriffs 00:14:21.650 --> 00:14:29.890 talking to my dad said something like, you wouldn't want to be left alone with them, especially 00:14:29.890 --> 00:14:40.420 if they're really drunk, what the, there are so many people out there so I don't know if 00:14:40.420 --> 00:14:48.980 they could have even done something but I don't know, nobody's accepting that it was 00:14:49.140 --> 00:14:57.700 accidental drowning, even the friends are talking about, they are concerned about what 00:14:57.700 --> 00:15:06.340 really happened to Nolan Wells, y'all let's don't be distracted, let's stay focused on what 00:15:06.340 --> 00:15:15.060 the real issue here, the real issue is what caused the blunt force trauma to the back 00:15:15.060 --> 00:15:26.700 of Nolan Wells head, what caused Nolan Wells to be found two days later face down on the 00:15:26.700 --> 00:15:45.010 shores of Horn Island after he had went with his friends on 4th of July celebrating, we 00:15:45.010 --> 00:15:54.850 are going to now have attorney Liza Park who's leading this effort for us talk to you a little 00:15:54.850 --> 00:16:04.690 bit about the process leading into the phone extra case, extra, I'm sorry, extraction, 00:16:08.160 --> 00:16:15.440 everything that led up to it because that was important, you remember we we desired to do a joint 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:25.520 extraction of the cell phones and so we wanted to make sure you knew from Mr. Garrett's perspective 00:16:25.520 --> 00:16:33.520 the things that they were very willing to work with Mississippi law enforcement and the district 00:16:33.520 --> 00:16:41.360 attorney to do just that, to honor our agreement and so I'm going to have attorney Liza Park come 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:50.980 now present to you, attorney Park. Thank you, so I'm going to talk about how we got to today 00:16:51.540 --> 00:16:58.740 with the presentation of the extraction of Nolan Wells' cell phone and the reason why 00:16:58.740 --> 00:17:06.580 we're going to address this is because this became a big controversy, it was filled with 00:17:06.580 --> 00:17:14.420 misinformation and a lot of assumptions. The first thing that I want to clear up is that 00:17:14.980 --> 00:17:24.180 the parents of Nolan Wells never kept the phone intentionally so they would keep it away 00:17:24.180 --> 00:17:32.740 from the district attorney or any law enforcement. I've explained before in a previous press conference 00:17:32.820 --> 00:17:40.660 that there was a meeting of the district attorney and the attorneys and the family of Nolan Wells 00:17:40.660 --> 00:17:50.580 on July 15th in Mississippi at the DA's office. That meeting was incredibly important because it 00:17:50.580 --> 00:17:56.820 was the first time that the family and their attorneys, their representatives were in person 00:17:56.820 --> 00:18:06.020 meeting with the DA in her office and it was setting the parameters of where do we go from here, 00:18:06.660 --> 00:18:15.540 how do we work with each other because we think we have the same goals. We all want to find out 00:18:16.100 --> 00:18:24.660 what happened with Nolan Wells so in that meeting it was decided with respect to the cell phone 00:18:24.660 --> 00:18:34.500 that there would be an extraction of the phone and that everybody would do it together, right? 00:18:35.060 --> 00:18:40.820 One time full extraction and you'll find out an extraction isn't like when you go to 00:18:40.820 --> 00:18:47.380 your cell phone carrier and you get it kind of copied over, you get a new phone, no it's not 00:18:47.380 --> 00:18:57.700 that. It can take hours and hours. It can take more than a day. A full extraction. We'll let Mr. 00:18:57.700 --> 00:19:04.900 Garrett go through this more in detail but that's one of the reasons why you want to do it one time. 00:19:04.900 --> 00:19:13.300 You also just want to make sure like we handle evidence in lots of cases that you're there 00:19:13.380 --> 00:19:19.620 representing your folks and anybody else, any other interested party is there too 00:19:20.420 --> 00:19:25.380 so your witnesses for each other, right? You know what's happening with that extraction. 00:19:25.380 --> 00:19:30.100 You're not wondering oh we got it first and then we downloaded things, we're going to do it another 00:19:30.100 --> 00:19:36.740 time and was it done the same way? Did they somehow delete anything? No questions, right? It's 00:19:36.740 --> 00:19:42.420 the best, most efficient and fair way of doing things so everyone agreed to it. This was the 00:19:42.420 --> 00:19:49.140 July 15th meeting. A date was not set though on July 15th. Everybody needed to figure out 00:19:49.780 --> 00:19:57.860 what times were and because the experts weren't at that meeting we had to find out from our experts, 00:19:57.860 --> 00:20:05.940 they needed to find out from their law enforcement when could this happen, right? What was decided 00:20:05.940 --> 00:20:11.860 was that it was going to happen in Mississippi. Specifically it was going to happen at a 00:20:11.860 --> 00:20:22.020 community college there in that district, right? We weren't familiar with this community college. 00:20:22.020 --> 00:20:29.060 It's not our backyard so if you're going to agree that something's going to take place 00:20:29.060 --> 00:20:35.060 at your house, that person that has the house, they kind of need to invite others, 00:20:35.060 --> 00:20:39.780 right? They need to take the lead on when is this going to happen because they have the 00:20:39.780 --> 00:20:45.300 location. We never had the location. We agreed to go to their location. 00:20:47.860 --> 00:20:56.740 Dates never matched up. Communication happened but never got a date. Then comes July 29th 00:20:56.740 --> 00:21:01.460 and we get a letter from the DA basically saying you guys aren't communicating with us 00:21:02.100 --> 00:21:10.340 so we need that phone and then later she sends another letter to the Welles Wandsley saying 00:21:10.340 --> 00:21:19.860 you have 48 hours to get the phone over and so we can extract. Nothing about this joint meeting 00:21:19.860 --> 00:21:28.740 because the parents have that's their phone. They had already set up where they lawfully have the 00:21:29.540 --> 00:21:36.340 phone. Lawfully have the phone and as the DA explained in one of her letters which you should 00:21:36.340 --> 00:21:43.940 all have access to, if she had the authority to take that phone she would already have done so 00:21:45.220 --> 00:21:52.020 but she didn't have that authority so what we should have done which was in that original 00:21:52.020 --> 00:21:58.660 meeting, meet together, extract the phone. Somehow the wheels fell off on that and communication 00:21:58.660 --> 00:22:10.130 became strained and when at around that point is when we started to communicate with her via 00:22:10.130 --> 00:22:17.810 letter and then we would send that letter out to the media because that's when people started to 00:22:18.770 --> 00:22:25.330 accuse the Welles Wandsleys about holding on to the phone or what were they doing with the phone. 00:22:25.970 --> 00:22:33.250 Nothing they were just holding waiting for it. What we had done after the July 15th meeting 00:22:33.250 --> 00:22:40.850 is that we contacted this man Andrew Garrett and said we're going to have a phone extraction. 00:22:40.930 --> 00:22:48.530 Is that something that you can do and can you be ready at any moment's notice to go 00:22:48.530 --> 00:22:53.890 to Mississippi to do that? Their office is here. That's where you're at right now in Orlando. 00:22:55.170 --> 00:23:02.450 Yes, they could. We just needed to know when. We just didn't get that. We never really got it 00:23:02.450 --> 00:23:11.970 is the thing and so when we got a letter saying again here you've got this certain amount of time 00:23:11.970 --> 00:23:20.450 to get this phone in we asked that Garrett Discovery go ahead and come in and extract 00:23:20.450 --> 00:23:30.080 the phone for the parents and then we could hand off the phone but as we explained 00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:38.640 extracting the phone can take a long time and it did. It took almost 24 hours. 00:23:39.360 --> 00:23:48.640 So what we're wanting you to understand for America to understand again is that the Welles 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:55.440 Wandsleys were cooperating as much as they could possibly could with respect to this phone and 00:23:55.440 --> 00:24:05.630 be right. So Ben is reminding me that the facility that they chose 00:24:07.150 --> 00:24:13.790 at this community college happens to be under the authority of law enforcement 00:24:14.590 --> 00:24:20.910 and although at the time of the meeting on July 15th they didn't quite explain this 00:24:21.390 --> 00:24:26.510 and the only people that could go in were current law enforcement not the family 00:24:27.630 --> 00:24:38.110 not attorneys not former law enforcement only current law enforcement so basically no one from 00:24:39.710 --> 00:24:44.590 the Welles Wandsleys that would just be giving away their phone. So 00:24:44.910 --> 00:24:55.790 when we've been asked by some media what happened with the extraction did the grand jury get 00:24:56.910 --> 00:25:04.990 the extraction information we did give it to the district attorney all the pages everything 00:25:06.670 --> 00:25:13.950 we don't know what happened in the grand jury we don't know how it was presented how any of the 00:25:13.950 --> 00:25:22.510 information was used or disseminated but what we are going to do now is explain what the extraction 00:25:22.510 --> 00:25:29.550 means and give you the information that we can and when I say the information that we can 00:25:29.550 --> 00:25:36.830 it's because we still need to protect people's privacy right so this is what we hope to achieve 00:25:36.830 --> 00:25:43.790 today we know that it's taking some some time but there was a lot that we wanted to dispel 00:25:43.790 --> 00:25:52.190 but because even up until we got the word that the grand jury had finished their work 00:25:52.190 --> 00:25:58.990 and here was their result a no bill up until that time we've been playing by the rules 00:25:59.870 --> 00:26:07.390 we haven't been putting anything forth that we had it's done so here we are and that's why 00:26:07.390 --> 00:26:14.910 we're going to have these press conferences to finally reveal what may or may have been revealed 00:26:14.910 --> 00:26:24.430 in the grand jury this is what we know with that I think that I'm going to yes 00:26:24.750 --> 00:26:31.710 okay let me give it back to bed okay thank you uh attorney part and to be clear 00:26:33.470 --> 00:26:37.550 the agreement was to do a joint extraction of the phone 00:26:39.550 --> 00:26:47.390 mr garrett troy their associates were ready to do it but then was told no you can't come in 00:26:48.110 --> 00:26:57.230 you have to give the phone to us at that point the wiles wesley family said well no download the 00:26:57.230 --> 00:27:02.750 stuff before you give my baby phone because we don't know when we would get it back they were 00:27:02.750 --> 00:27:12.030 concerned as any parent would and so that's where garrett discovery went and they started downloading 00:27:12.030 --> 00:27:20.430 the phone and it took about 30 some hours to do so and then at that point we were going 00:27:20.430 --> 00:27:26.430 to give the phone district attorney said okay well the family has decided to do their own 00:27:26.430 --> 00:27:33.230 extraction that's fine with us we said well we were going to give you the phone but if you 00:27:33.230 --> 00:27:40.030 say no y'all always started to download it y'all just give us the report that's exactly what 00:27:40.030 --> 00:27:48.910 we did and she wanted it as soon as possible we gave her a preliminary report and we kept saying 00:27:48.910 --> 00:27:58.270 you know this is preliminary because they were doing everything they could to get into the snaps 00:27:58.270 --> 00:28:04.510 and all the other social media because we know that's how young people communicate that the 00:28:04.510 --> 00:28:11.470 traditional uh your mother and father text messaging is not what they do and so they sent 00:28:11.470 --> 00:28:20.270 that there or that preliminary report and it had limited you know um discoveries and so forth but 00:28:20.270 --> 00:28:27.870 they kept working and that's how they got to deleted messages on snapchat and different things 00:28:28.510 --> 00:28:38.190 and so with that we're going to have attorney eric hurts talk to you uh about his investigation 00:28:38.750 --> 00:28:48.350 and introduce our forensic expert andrew gear who i have to commend him in his office 00:28:48.350 --> 00:28:57.950 they worked tirelessly to try to help christine and elmore wansley find out what happened 00:28:58.510 --> 00:29:06.350 to their child and i thank them for it um attorney hurts thank you for leaving this investigation 00:29:06.350 --> 00:29:12.510 thank you mr crump i'm eric hurts thank you all for showing up here today and taking interest in 00:29:12.510 --> 00:29:19.550 this this is a very important case as mr crump just told you not only is the nation wanting to 00:29:19.550 --> 00:29:26.350 know what happened to young nolan but the world is and what better time to introduce you to andrew 00:29:26.350 --> 00:29:32.750 garrett from digital forensic expert from garrett discovery and we're here today in his building 00:29:34.590 --> 00:29:40.430 mr garrett is not just a national renowned expert he's an international renowned expert 00:29:41.150 --> 00:29:46.590 he has worked with the department of defense he has worked with the department of justice 00:29:47.630 --> 00:29:54.670 he recently worked for the district attorney of louisiana and even the district attorney 00:29:54.670 --> 00:30:02.750 in mississippi cannot say a bad thing about him he's worked with our country to stop terrorism 00:30:02.750 --> 00:30:09.470 by helping to digitally for new forensic work as an expert to help stop the terrorism that 00:30:09.470 --> 00:30:20.370 we have in this country um i'll tell you that um he's testified over 300 times um he's helped jurors 00:30:20.370 --> 00:30:27.570 judges legislators understand cases that couldn't be understood and he does not have a dog in this 00:30:27.570 --> 00:30:36.450 fight and he has no opinion as to who or what should be done he's just going to tell you the 00:30:36.450 --> 00:30:44.370 science and there's no advocacy in math math is math two plus two equals four and he's going 00:30:44.370 --> 00:30:53.490 to show you how two plus two equals four here today um let's get uh i call him andrew because 00:30:53.490 --> 00:30:57.970 i've been working with him on this case for a while but mr garrett if you can come up here 00:30:57.970 --> 00:31:08.050 where the screen is and let's first talk about the interactions with the phone before um knowing 00:31:08.050 --> 00:31:14.290 wells on the fourth interactions with the phone after Nolan Wells hadn't no possession of the 00:31:14.290 --> 00:31:19.570 phone anymore and the interactions of the phone after the parents retrieved it and tell us what 00:31:19.570 --> 00:31:25.250 you found first of all i'd like to say thank you to ben crump and his legal team um i've worked 00:31:25.330 --> 00:31:30.530 with a lot of attorneys over my years about 1500 different law firms this is one of the most serious 00:31:30.530 --> 00:31:36.770 law firms i've ever worked for um they want the truth 100 and that was their goal right from the 00:31:36.770 --> 00:31:42.690 beginning i explained my job is to analyze digital evidence and tell you the facts no spin no 00:31:42.690 --> 00:31:47.730 conjecture no opinions i lay it out on the table let other people formulate those opinions 00:31:47.730 --> 00:31:55.730 as to what it means so for nolan's phone we went almost immediately i mean next day straight to 00:31:55.730 --> 00:32:01.090 his house and my team thank you detroit christian i actually took took the early morning flight the 00:32:01.090 --> 00:32:06.370 head there and forensically copied the phone during the process of forensic forensically 00:32:06.370 --> 00:32:10.930 copying the phone it takes a while sometimes you plug the phones in it's an hour or two 00:32:10.930 --> 00:32:16.450 sometimes it's going to take quite a bit of time this took about 30 hours so that meant we 00:32:16.450 --> 00:32:22.450 blew our deadline by about 12 hours with the government we let them know that by text message 00:32:22.450 --> 00:32:28.610 i was communicating with technical field officer reiner we communicated they said that's fine we 00:32:28.610 --> 00:32:32.770 can bring in the phone the next day or bring in the forensic image and they would accept it as 00:32:32.770 --> 00:32:38.290 is they were completely fine with it there was no nefarious acts there was no contention between 00:32:38.290 --> 00:32:43.010 the parties it was completely agreeable what would have happened if you would have stopped 00:32:43.010 --> 00:32:50.210 and tried to make this arbitrary deadline to the bonus data yeah so we notified the government 00:32:50.210 --> 00:32:55.250 that if we stop the extraction during the process to meet their deadline there's a high possibility 00:32:55.250 --> 00:33:00.850 it could break the phone that is just the process that happens when you hook up a phone to forensic 00:33:00.850 --> 00:33:05.970 equipment this is specialized forensic equipment this is not somebody doing like an itunes backup 00:33:05.970 --> 00:33:12.290 to their mobile phone it takes time specialized tools specialized expertise to copy these phones 00:33:12.290 --> 00:33:16.850 but understand that's a complete copy of the phone that includes data you can't see 00:33:16.850 --> 00:33:22.450 cached data stuff that the user themselves can't see interactions with the phone what time you 00:33:22.450 --> 00:33:28.370 woke the screen up hit the screen and took an app and swiped it away all those details come out 00:33:28.370 --> 00:33:34.610 from a forensic examination so in that examination the first thing we did is we issued a preliminary 00:33:34.610 --> 00:33:41.250 report because we knew everybody needed something very quick now our job is always about accuracy 00:33:41.250 --> 00:33:45.890 speed doesn't matter to us we're going to do it accurate every time and if i have to tell a client 00:33:45.890 --> 00:33:49.810 it's going to take longer that's just the way it's going to be because i can't put my name on 00:33:49.810 --> 00:33:54.770 something and neither will any of my experts at work in my firm unless it's absolutely accurate 00:33:54.770 --> 00:34:02.290 so we issued a preliminary report that explains some things in the phone but there's one thing 00:34:02.290 --> 00:34:08.690 that we know no one doesn't use text message but rarely only with people that he doesn't know 00:34:08.690 --> 00:34:16.610 has snapchat he uses snapchat and instagram for 95 of his communication okay there are groups 00:34:17.650 --> 00:34:26.050 that he's part of that have many many people communicating in okay that process that we use 00:34:26.050 --> 00:34:32.770 to get those messages out is using two software tools one's called Cellebrite and one's called 00:34:32.770 --> 00:34:39.170 Magnet AXIOM these are the predominant tools that over 95 of law enforcement uses worldwide 00:34:39.730 --> 00:34:45.170 unfortunately this phone had a newer version of snapchat in which the software did not support 00:34:45.810 --> 00:34:53.410 that required us to manually process the data manually decrypt all the messages and put them 00:34:53.410 --> 00:34:59.970 back together that took time a substantial amount of time so it was about a week or so later we 00:34:59.970 --> 00:35:09.170 issued a second report that had a swiped himself in use face id communicated and looked at certain 00:35:09.170 --> 00:35:14.530 applications then locked the phone again and from that point forward we knew the rest of the data 00:35:14.530 --> 00:35:21.490 we need to look at was gps data before you get there can you explain how when somebody swipes the 00:35:21.490 --> 00:35:27.890 phone touches the phone whether they're attempting to open it or accidentally how the phone would 00:35:27.890 --> 00:35:33.890 track that yes so there are databases and logs in the phone that you can't see unless you add 00:35:33.890 --> 00:35:39.970 forensic tools that will tell you whether somebody swiped an app away it actually your phone actually 00:35:39.970 --> 00:35:45.330 keeps track of what apps were open and the screenshots you see of the apps you're swiping 00:35:45.330 --> 00:35:51.410 away so even if somebody was to delete a message if they had swiped the app away beforehand that 00:35:51.410 --> 00:35:56.370 picture that was on screen will be in the forensic image that we created the phone so 00:35:56.370 --> 00:36:01.570 we can see what was happening on the phone there's also logs that show whether the power was turned 00:36:01.570 --> 00:36:06.690 on or off whether an application was in the front of the screen in the background of the screen so 00:36:06.690 --> 00:36:11.650 there's just a ton of information in these phones in Nolan's phone there was over one million 00:36:11.650 --> 00:36:15.890 artifacts of data and I'm not talking about a million pictures I'm talking about million 00:36:15.890 --> 00:36:20.290 artifacts that tell us forensically what was going on in the phone and that is something 00:36:20.290 --> 00:36:30.210 my team Lena Gill, Troy Christian, and Chris Stark and Charon Darththith all worked tirelessly 00:36:30.210 --> 00:36:37.170 to try to reconstruct a timeline of events and then we put those things on screen on a 3D video 00:36:37.170 --> 00:36:43.810 as well but one of the things we do know is there was interactions with the phone before and after 00:36:43.810 --> 00:36:48.770 his death up until the time that his family retrieved the phone from the other young men 00:36:48.850 --> 00:36:54.690 that were with him that day and it's really important if you can tell the news whether it 00:36:54.690 --> 00:36:59.650 was intentional or non-intentional no that's not your decision your decision is a science 00:36:59.650 --> 00:37:05.330 were things deleted from that phone yes there were things that were deleted from the phone 00:37:05.330 --> 00:37:10.450 I can't talk to intent unfortunately that's not my field of expertise to psychology but I could 00:37:10.450 --> 00:37:15.090 tell you from a digital standpoint things were deleted on the phone from the time he last had 00:37:15.090 --> 00:37:20.770 the phone up until the time that his parents got the phone and was it snapchat things they 00:37:20.770 --> 00:37:26.130 were snapchat correct now you want to I'm sorry I didn't mean to interrupt you but I thought that 00:37:26.130 --> 00:37:31.010 was important that everybody understood that was science and you can't put an intent onto it 00:37:31.010 --> 00:37:36.450 no I don't I don't talk in the world of intent unfortunately so we can say that in order for 00:37:36.450 --> 00:37:42.930 that to be done somebody had to take a user action to delete data with so his parents said 00:37:42.930 --> 00:37:50.050 that when they got his phone they thought that things have been deleted and the question is 00:37:51.410 --> 00:37:56.770 are they crazy to think that no I think if you were to look at the phone like we did and 00:37:56.770 --> 00:38:01.970 look through the message threads and stuff it's you could pit together that things were deleted 00:38:02.850 --> 00:38:07.730 now you you did you make a video of where the phone went are you ready to talk about 00:38:07.730 --> 00:38:14.690 we took the GPS data from the phone now understand a phone has a GPS chip set in it that receives 00:38:14.690 --> 00:38:19.570 signals from outer space and it's pretty accurate you and I use the GPS every day probably on our 00:38:19.570 --> 00:38:27.170 phone to navigate so it's pretty accurate usually within 20 to 30 meters at worst on a mobile phone 00:38:27.170 --> 00:38:32.770 we have every moment of Nolan's phone from morning to night that day until even into 00:38:32.770 --> 00:38:38.610 the next morning until his parents got the phone of everywhere it went that means the boat dock 00:38:38.610 --> 00:38:43.570 that means the boat ramp leaving horn island so we have a perfect timeline of where that phone 00:38:43.570 --> 00:38:49.170 traveled to how fast it was traveling and where it went to and whose houses we've put together a 00:38:49.170 --> 00:38:56.690 video to show the travel patterns of Nolan's phone now understand in this video we did blur 00:38:56.690 --> 00:39:03.970 out streets entire streets actual houses and we blurred out names with this to protect some of 00:39:03.970 --> 00:39:10.530 the privacy of these individuals that was involved the district attorney has unredacted data they 00:39:10.530 --> 00:39:16.210 could look at this they could use this data all they want it's so I'm gonna play it for you here 00:39:19.330 --> 00:39:25.330 you actually have the redact the redacted copy that you can give all the news in case their camera 00:39:26.050 --> 00:39:30.530 is that correct yes we prepared today because this is voluminous data 00:39:31.250 --> 00:39:36.370 usb drives for the media to take with them so you will have a copy of this video to take with you 00:39:36.370 --> 00:39:43.090 and some of the reports I just want to make it clear in your final report you gave all the snaps 00:39:43.090 --> 00:39:50.610 all the 282 pages all your information to the district attorney's office as well as an 00:39:50.610 --> 00:39:58.130 unredacted video that you're about to show us yes they have all the snaps they have every bit 00:39:58.130 --> 00:40:02.370 it well first of all they have a forensic image of the phone they could do all this work themselves 00:40:02.370 --> 00:40:06.610 they have their own forensic staff and in mississippi i've worked at their district 00:40:06.610 --> 00:40:12.210 attorney's office on cases before and the attorney general's office and both and i've 00:40:12.210 --> 00:40:17.970 worked for worked pretty closely with their lab director charlie rubisoft for the last 15 years 00:40:17.970 --> 00:40:22.690 on various cases where we've been involved in so we've had a relationship there they have 00:40:22.690 --> 00:40:27.170 the same tools we have they I don't know if they have the same expertise but I would hope that 00:40:27.170 --> 00:40:30.770 somebody over there in law enforcement has the same expertise to be able to look at the same 00:40:30.770 --> 00:40:36.770 stuff but to make it easier on them we gave them all of our hard work we gave it to them we gave 00:40:36.770 --> 00:40:40.770 it to them on a silver platter so they didn't have to do much work at all they could go in 00:40:40.770 --> 00:40:45.010 and validate the data instantly and they could look at all the reports and look at the digital 00:40:45.010 --> 00:40:49.730 evidence and say these match 100 percent and therefore it saved them a lot of time and a lot 00:40:49.730 --> 00:40:55.410 of effort and especially because they were forming a grand jury my job is not about the grand jury 00:40:55.410 --> 00:41:00.450 my job is to give the family truth and honesty and talk about the data the grand jury is not what 00:41:00.450 --> 00:41:05.570 i'm there for and and i've told everybody that from the beginning and nobody's ever asked me hey 00:41:05.570 --> 00:41:09.570 make sure this is prepared for the grand jury the district attorney never called the state's 00:41:09.570 --> 00:41:13.490 attorney's never called anybody that's ever commented about this has never called our office 00:41:14.210 --> 00:41:17.810 i know i've never called van krump saying hey get care discovery to move faster 00:41:17.810 --> 00:41:22.930 that's not it it was all about the truth and that takes time and you weren't asked to come 00:41:22.930 --> 00:41:27.410 and testify before the grand jury no i was not asked to come testify none of my team was and 00:41:27.410 --> 00:41:31.410 there's been no communication the only communication we've had with law enforcement is about the 00:41:31.410 --> 00:41:36.050 delivery of the phone making sure they knew it was going to take an extra day which they agreed 00:41:36.050 --> 00:41:41.490 to and um i do know the district i know that the prosecutor put out some stuff about 00:41:42.450 --> 00:41:47.330 they would have met any agreement the parents had for analyzing the phone that's untrue they set the 00:41:47.330 --> 00:41:51.730 venue as a place and then told us only law enforcement can come in i mean it's like getting 00:41:51.730 --> 00:41:55.570 invited to a party you come to the front lawn but you can't get through the front door 00:41:55.570 --> 00:41:59.570 it's not a joint inspection at that point so that's why we felt it's important 00:41:59.570 --> 00:42:05.970 for two reasons the family needs to know their last moments of their son they need those photos 00:42:05.970 --> 00:42:10.370 they need those communications if it becomes evidence in a law enforcement case if the phone 00:42:10.370 --> 00:42:15.170 is handed over there is no legal mechanism whatsoever to get that unless there's a case 00:42:15.170 --> 00:42:20.850 filed or a criminal defendant is charged we can't get the phone back it has gone in the wind it could 00:42:20.850 --> 00:42:25.570 be locked up for years i work on cases all the time where law enforcement has held a phone for nine 00:42:25.570 --> 00:42:30.610 ten years and nobody can get answers that's why it's important to make a forensic copy 00:42:30.610 --> 00:42:35.970 before they would not have ever agreed to us making a forensic copy if they thought for a 00:42:35.970 --> 00:42:40.210 minute that we would alter any of the data or change anything or it wouldn't be a true and 00:42:40.210 --> 00:42:48.900 accurate copy today we're going to show a video this is a video reconstruction i can say that 00:42:48.900 --> 00:42:54.500 this is about as accurate as you could get when it comes down to accuracy the accuracy rating inside 00:42:54.500 --> 00:43:01.220 the gps points is very very high so that means somewhere within about a 10 meter radius of each 00:43:01.220 --> 00:43:06.580 one of the points we plotted shows what was going shows the location of nolan's phone at 00:43:06.580 --> 00:43:17.950 the time you can go ahead and hit play if you can you can see here in the early morning 00:43:19.150 --> 00:43:28.380 that's before 8 24 a.m you went to mcdonald's there is messages you will see pop up here on 00:43:28.380 --> 00:43:33.180 the right hand side these are the snapchat communications that was happening between nolan 00:43:33.180 --> 00:43:37.020 and his friends and people that were part of these various groups that he was part of 00:43:38.540 --> 00:43:44.700 through 837 they traveled to another another location i'm not going to tell you whose house 00:43:44.780 --> 00:43:49.420 or who that is but they did travel another location and you can see that in a vehicle 00:43:49.420 --> 00:43:58.560 based on the speed and direction travel still traveling here last snapchat messages 00:44:00.240 --> 00:44:05.840 asking about a jewel pod and can i get one these are young men they were having conversations 00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:14.050 there were some women in this chat group as well you can see here where they're traveling 00:44:14.050 --> 00:44:30.460 by a boat at 10 30 10 30 10 40 10 54 and you can see here still there's messages and phone calls 00:44:30.460 --> 00:44:40.850 being made then they were at horn island it's about 11 18 then the boat stayed on horn island 00:44:40.850 --> 00:44:46.050 and you can see here it says device enters lock state that means he clicked the button to lock 00:44:46.050 --> 00:44:55.970 the phone phone unlocked in application activity resumes at 217 pm that is when nolan was last 00:44:55.970 --> 00:45:03.090 using his phone we have about 218 in order to do that by our calculations he was on the boat 00:45:03.970 --> 00:45:10.100 when that happened then there's a reported call to see a call to Sea Tow 00:45:10.100 --> 00:45:19.940 at 436 there's also messages there's a message that says captain pull the bilge they had a bilge 00:45:19.940 --> 00:45:26.100 pump problem they called Sea Tow i think the news has done a great job at reporting on the phone call 00:45:26.100 --> 00:45:32.900 that was made then afterwards you can see the boat went up to somebody's house to their dock 00:45:33.700 --> 00:45:41.360 then they left the dock and traveled to a boat ramp 00:45:48.160 --> 00:45:51.520 the phone was on a boat and the reason we can make that assumption is 00:45:51.520 --> 00:45:56.240 phones don't travel on a car by walking over water so on the boat 00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:03.920 could be jesky but we would say boat and given the pictures there's actually videos from some 00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:09.280 of these boats from that day that we were able to recover there's photos from that day 00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:18.640 that we were able to recover that lets us know he was on the boat you can see here at 724 pm 00:46:20.080 --> 00:46:34.610 there at a boat ramp yes the phone was traveling over water at a speed and direction that would 00:46:34.610 --> 00:46:40.530 have to be from a boat plus we also have videos from another neighboring boat of traveling in the 00:46:40.530 --> 00:46:48.050 same direction about the same speed and you can see here this goes up to 730 then on land the phone 00:46:48.050 --> 00:46:59.340 is traveling to an individual's residence there is more messages in the chat groups that are not 00:46:59.340 --> 00:47:04.940 part of this presentation there are hundreds and hundreds of messages in these chat groups 00:47:04.940 --> 00:47:09.740 from various other individuals that aren't the individuals talking about nolan necessarily 00:47:09.740 --> 00:47:15.020 are talking about what was going on understand a lot of the individuals in the in the chat groups 00:47:15.020 --> 00:47:20.460 didn't know what was going on at the time yet no you know so here's the second thing i have to say 00:47:20.460 --> 00:47:25.980 the extraction we made of the phone also includes messages after nolan was dead 00:47:27.180 --> 00:47:31.500 that is up until the time we collected the phone the individuals that are part of this 00:47:31.500 --> 00:47:37.820 chat group continued talking after he was dead not understanding that their messages were also 00:47:37.820 --> 00:47:44.700 sinking onto nolan's phone so we have the messages up and through the date and time we collected the 00:47:44.700 --> 00:47:53.280 phone and this goes on until the parents come and pick up the phone at about 3 am in the morning 00:47:53.840 --> 00:48:00.960 roughly and that concludes our video presentation as to the activity of the phone and the travel 00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:10.080 pattern of the phone thank you very much mr gary if you and your entire staff for helping the family 00:48:10.080 --> 00:48:23.200 get answers they so desperately want and i think the world wants quite frankly um it is also 00:48:23.200 --> 00:48:36.160 important to note that nolan's parents still are baffled that nolan if he chose to stay on the island 00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:45.920 would not want his cell phone they said nolan harley went anywhere did anything without his cell phone 00:48:46.560 --> 00:48:58.740 so these are things that still concern them at this time before we get into your questions 00:49:02.690 --> 00:49:10.300 have recently been able to get this state 00:49:10.300 --> 00:49:24.060 state medical examiner's autopsy and as we said we are going to present evidence pertaining to 00:49:25.420 --> 00:49:36.140 the death of nolan wells to the public in an effort to be transparent again we there's only 00:49:36.140 --> 00:49:42.380 one issue everything else is a distraction if you really care about nolan wells if you 00:49:42.380 --> 00:49:47.740 really care about his family getting to the truth let's don't deal with his distractions 00:49:47.740 --> 00:49:54.860 let's just go ahead and deal with getting the evidence out so we we were told that we could 00:49:54.860 --> 00:50:02.780 get the autopsy uh when the district attorney released the grand jury report and that was news 00:50:02.860 --> 00:50:13.420 to us and so that day attorney amad smith who is or the next day attorney amad smith who is our 00:50:14.380 --> 00:50:26.400 local council in the state of mississippi sent a letter to the district attorney dear attorney 00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:34.720 McIlrath good afternoon in your statement following the grand jury's no-bill decision you indicated 00:50:34.720 --> 00:50:42.880 that you had offered to provide the state's autopsy report to nolan's family on the family's 00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:53.760 behalf i now ask you please send us a copy they are eager to review its findings sincerely amad 00:50:53.760 --> 00:51:05.460 are smith esquire district attorney Angel Myers McIlrath responds and read death investigation of 00:51:05.460 --> 00:51:14.340 nolan wells grand jury report mr smith the law provides for you to request all types of report 00:51:14.340 --> 00:51:23.140 through the department of public safety website that's all y'all have to do i didn't realize 00:51:23.140 --> 00:51:32.740 you and mr buffkin were not aware of the law to be clear i reached out to christine and when i 00:51:32.740 --> 00:51:41.300 did not hear back from her i shared the results with mr buffkin doing a phone call if you have 00:51:41.300 --> 00:51:52.900 difficulty obtaining it pursuant to the statute let me know and i will assist sign uh angel sent 00:51:52.900 --> 00:52:10.880 from my iPhone and so so you you can see this change here about this autopsy report 00:52:12.080 --> 00:52:20.800 that dr roger mitchell asked for two when he visited and so mr attorney smith responds 00:52:21.600 --> 00:52:30.480 dear attorney McIlrath we are aware that the law provides a means to request the autopsy report 00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:38.720 and mandates that a copy be provided to the family or a legal representative 00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:46.880 obtaining it still requires a process however particularly in this case 00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:55.840 i suspect that many members of the public may have submitted the state's request form 00:52:55.840 --> 00:53:03.440 claiming to be council of record in an effort to obtain nolan's autopsy report from the state 00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:13.440 of Mississippi on September 8th christine wells wisely his mother christine wells wisely submitted 00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:22.320 a request using the state medical examiner's form i remember attorney part helping her to fill that 00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:31.200 form out two weeks later she has received neither the report nor an acknowledgement that her request 00:53:31.200 --> 00:53:40.880 was received when my office contacted the state medical examiner's office the receptionist advised 00:53:41.600 --> 00:53:50.880 that a state issued subpoena would be necessary given the family's desire to review the report 00:53:51.520 --> 00:54:01.410 and your office possession of a copy i thought a direct request to you would be the most 00:54:01.410 --> 00:54:10.450 expedient way to obtain it also in light of your public comments regarding transparency 00:54:11.410 --> 00:54:18.450 i thought you might be willing to provide the family with a copy as a courtesy we have already 00:54:18.450 --> 00:54:26.370 begun the process of obtaining the report and would appreciate any assistance you could provide 00:54:26.370 --> 00:55:11.260 in securing a copy for the family cordially Ahmad R Smith Esquire Mr. Smith i've been advised that 00:55:11.340 --> 00:55:21.730 the request made did not include proof of next of kin as required for that reason the request cannot 00:55:21.730 --> 00:55:31.170 be fulfilled by dps without all necessary information in light of this and as i had not 00:55:31.170 --> 00:55:39.410 been made aware of this issue i've asked my staff to send you our copy of the report please confirm 00:55:39.970 --> 00:55:47.890 that it is to be sent to you at this email address if it is to be sent to miss 00:55:47.890 --> 00:55:57.010 wisely directly please provide her email address i hope this was helpful so we thank the district 00:55:57.010 --> 00:56:06.130 attorney for providing us with the autopsy report issued by the jackson county medic examiner 00:56:06.130 --> 00:56:15.090 in the state of mississippi and at this time we're going to release that report to you all in the 00:56:15.090 --> 00:56:25.330 public attorney Liza Park is going to go over that report at this time we hope to have dr roger 00:56:25.330 --> 00:56:37.410 mitchell have both of the autopsies next week to be able to go through those reports as a medical 00:56:37.410 --> 00:56:50.030 expert so just to explain what mr kant just read out was from last night and around 6 30 00:56:50.830 --> 00:57:00.670 eastern time is when we received this medical examiner's autopsy report uh it's about 00:57:02.190 --> 00:57:10.750 three pages um much shorter than the independent autopsy but there are some things of note that 00:57:10.750 --> 00:57:21.310 we just want to go ahead and share with the media evidence of injury two dark red purple 00:57:21.310 --> 00:57:29.230 subcutaneous scalp contusions over lie the superior nuchal line area of the posterior skull 00:57:30.190 --> 00:57:36.590 each measures approximately two inches now we talked about this two days ago in our press 00:57:36.590 --> 00:57:47.570 conference um but we didn't have this report then what it also says is that in the neck 00:57:48.690 --> 00:57:55.730 the larynx and hyoid bone are without hemorrhages or fractures the interior cervical spine is 00:57:55.730 --> 00:58:10.610 unremarkable lungs no fluid or debris is within the airways gi track unremarkable the stomach is 00:58:10.610 --> 00:58:19.490 empty what this means is that there's no water in the stomach there's no water in the lungs 00:58:20.130 --> 00:58:27.970 there's no water in the throat and yet the grand jury if you read through that especially at the 00:58:27.970 --> 00:58:39.810 end what they want to determine is an accidental drowning but this is their own medical examiner's 00:58:39.810 --> 00:59:05.260 report it is signed august 17th is the date that it signed and it still even this medical examiner 00:59:05.900 --> 00:59:16.260 concluded that the death was undetermined what we noticed as well even though the medical examiner 00:59:16.260 --> 00:59:25.780 did not take a photograph of the contusions she drew a picture and this is what the contusions 00:59:25.780 --> 00:59:36.300 look like to her on the back of the head right here on the lower back of the head you've already 00:59:36.300 --> 00:59:47.580 seen dr mitchell's diagram of where the red tissue was exactly the same place but on the interior 00:59:47.580 --> 00:59:59.170 muscle underneath the skin and that he had determined it was blood these even on her diagram 01:00:00.130 --> 01:00:10.450 seemed very significant i mean two inches and link two inches in width we are still trying to determine 01:00:10.850 --> 01:00:30.180 who or what caused the blunt force trauma to the back of Nolan Wells head additionally uh we want to 01:00:30.180 --> 01:00:38.660 again explain that what dr mitchell found was that there was no white blood cells and what that 01:00:38.660 --> 01:00:45.060 means is that this injury this bleeding happened within a short period of time 01:00:46.660 --> 01:00:55.300 from the time that the body expired so there's just a window of time before white blood cells 01:00:55.300 --> 01:01:04.020 start to become developed so we want everybody to keep this in mind and look at this through 01:01:04.020 --> 01:01:12.260 the eyes of the evidence through the eyes of what science can tell us and because of that we do want 01:01:12.260 --> 01:01:20.580 to present dr mitchell himself um we are expecting next week trying to coordinate with his schedule 01:01:20.580 --> 01:01:28.740 because he is the medical expert one of the best in the country and he's going to do a better job 01:01:28.740 --> 01:01:39.620 than us attorneys trying to explain medical things but we anybody a child can understand bruises 01:01:41.140 --> 01:01:51.090 are an injury internal bleeding is serious and with that we hope that you all are able to join 01:01:51.090 --> 01:01:59.970 us again next week when we're able to unfold this in um a manner where dr mitchell can join us 01:02:01.010 --> 01:02:10.450 thank you thank you very much attorney park so with the extraction of the phone and the 01:02:10.450 --> 01:02:19.570 revelation of the snaps and the chats in the friend groups you see that this uh this mystery 01:02:21.900 --> 01:02:30.620 still needs to be investigated we simply cannot close the chapter and say 01:02:31.180 --> 01:02:42.690 wash our hands of it put a ball on it and say nothing to see here would any parent 01:02:43.810 --> 01:02:55.010 would any parent white black brown or red would any parent accept those findings of the grand jury 01:02:55.730 --> 01:03:12.910 and say thank you case over no parent would do that so why are they asking christine and elmore 01:03:12.910 --> 01:03:29.740 wansley to do that don't know what happened to nolan wells we're not accusing anybody 01:03:31.580 --> 01:03:39.500 of anything nefarious even with the phone extraction we mr garrett said he doesn't know 01:03:39.500 --> 01:03:51.170 the intent of any of that stuff but what we are saying if you care anything about nolan wells 01:03:54.160 --> 01:04:02.720 if you know anything come forward if you care anything about nolan wells let's focus on what 01:04:02.720 --> 01:04:12.480 killed nolan wells let's don't focus on the distractions it is beneath our shared humanity 01:04:14.910 --> 01:04:25.630 it is beneath our shared humanity everybody loves their children we love our children too 01:04:26.910 --> 01:04:35.870 and if it was the governor the district attorney i have no doubt no doubt they would be doing 01:04:35.870 --> 01:04:46.990 exactly what we are doing and don't attack people for not accepting the grand jury 01:04:47.710 --> 01:04:52.270 decision we're in america we still have the first amendment i mean 01:04:53.950 --> 01:05:02.990 america we've just done it recently with lindsey clancy's trial several people across the country 01:05:02.990 --> 01:05:12.340 didn't agree with the verdict and they expressed that i mean historically when you think about 01:05:12.420 --> 01:05:24.050 the oj simpson trial people expressed that they disagreed with it so why are supporters of nolan 01:05:24.050 --> 01:05:31.250 wells been attacked because they disagree with the grand jury's decision this is america 01:05:32.770 --> 01:05:43.410 we can disagree and still not be disagreeable we can accept facts we can accept evidence 01:05:44.770 --> 01:05:55.650 we can apply common sense and we can have a robust discussion debate if you will 01:05:57.090 --> 01:06:06.930 about what really happened to nolan wells and all still respect the humanity of nolan 01:06:06.930 --> 01:06:13.890 xavier wells and his family because if it was your family i promise you 01:06:15.010 --> 01:06:23.790 we will be doing the same thing for you with that we will answer your questions if you have any 01:06:24.510 --> 01:06:26.350 from media 01:06:46.620 --> 01:06:50.620 it appears that it was stayed on the boat the entire time but it appears nolan was 01:06:50.620 --> 01:06:55.740 on and off the boat because it required his face to unlock it so he had gone back on yes 01:06:56.620 --> 01:07:01.120 correct yeah 01:07:12.080 --> 01:07:19.300 you know apply your common sense this dr mitchell raised these issues 01:07:19.300 --> 01:07:23.540 and then apparently this witness came and said what he said 01:07:24.260 --> 01:07:33.220 uh but look at what he said he said he awkwardly fell into the water he didn't say anything about 01:07:33.220 --> 01:07:40.420 he saw him hit anything and he said afterwards nolan just kept socializing as if he was fine 01:07:43.020 --> 01:07:45.180 man if i got two 01:07:45.180 --> 01:08:00.420 contusions in the back of my head two inches wide two inches long i'm not going to be talking about 01:08:00.420 --> 01:08:06.260 my head i'm not going to be having my head on my the back of my hand on the back of my head 01:08:06.260 --> 01:08:12.580 where everybody out there on horn island could see nolan's grabbing his head now there's no 01:08:12.580 --> 01:08:21.460 testimony of that apply your common sense apply your common sense this is blunt force trauma 01:08:21.460 --> 01:08:27.380 to the back of the head i mean when you barely bump your hand it causes you to be dazed can you 01:08:27.380 --> 01:08:41.390 imagine impact that causes two inch length two inch width contusions bleeding it's significant 01:08:42.030 --> 01:08:49.470 it's significant it can't be just simply discounted we have reasonably believe that 01:08:49.470 --> 01:09:00.110 this could be a factor a significant factor into what happened to nolan wells and how he ended up 01:09:00.110 --> 01:09:19.490 unalived well we we acknowledge those there and we would leave it at that but it was just 01:09:19.490 --> 01:09:28.530 significant to note that even his friends group and snapchat was talking about people on horn 01:09:28.530 --> 01:09:35.650 island as racist they can be racist so that's them having that conversation on july 5th 01:09:37.410 --> 01:09:44.610 so then to say oh we're making it about race yeah it's a distraction it's all a distraction 01:09:45.170 --> 01:09:51.650 what matters what really matters is what happened to this 18 year old college student 01:09:52.770 --> 01:10:03.970 any other questions yes ma'am well what we're going to do is have our medical expert 01:10:03.970 --> 01:10:08.850 opine to that and we're going to give all the evidence people can draw their own conclusions 01:10:20.800 --> 01:10:27.360 no no but what they all both agree there was evidence of injury to the back of his head 01:10:28.160 --> 01:10:35.600 and every medical official every medical expert the state of mississippi 01:10:36.560 --> 01:10:43.360 medical examiner and dr mitchell who was the former chief medical examiner of washington dc 01:10:44.080 --> 01:10:52.160 they both agree that the manner and cause of death is undetermined and so we're not going to 01:10:52.160 --> 01:10:59.280 simply just let them say what the sheriff said on day one it's accidental drowning no foul play 01:10:59.280 --> 01:11:06.720 nothing to see here would you accept that if that was your child uh any last questions yes 01:11:14.610 --> 01:11:19.970 yes dr turner is the medical examiner and we're going to release it to you also everybody if you 01:11:19.970 --> 01:11:27.170 go to press at bencrump.com or go to our social media we will have the autopsies uh placed on 01:11:27.250 --> 01:11:42.560 those uh platforms last question okay yes are turning curves who's leading my 01:11:44.240 --> 01:11:52.000 thank you for the question but the real question is why has this investigation not answered these 01:11:52.000 --> 01:11:57.120 questions were investigated to look into these questions that we are presenting to you today 01:11:57.840 --> 01:12:04.240 the real question is if you look at the grand jury bill it says july 14th uh 01:12:03.700 --> 01:12:10.180 It says 14th through 18th, that's four days. 01:12:10.180 --> 01:12:16.220 You have to first give them instructions, then you have that to end, September 14th, thank you. 01:12:16.220 --> 01:12:22.620 Then you have to, after they get some witnesses, and if you look at all the witnesses, not many showed up. 01:12:22.620 --> 01:12:27.780 And then you have to give them instructions again, then you have to write out the bill. 01:12:27.780 --> 01:12:30.020 And the next question is, who wrote that bill? 01:12:31.020 --> 01:12:36.100 Who physically wrote that bill, or no bill? 01:12:36.100 --> 01:12:42.220 I think everybody should ask themselves that, and when you ask yourself that, I think a lot of enlightenment will come. 01:12:42.220 --> 01:12:44.900 Thank you all. 01:12:44.900 --> 01:12:49.420 Mr. Garrett said if you all are interested, 01:12:49.420 --> 01:12:56.180 you all can come upstairs to the facility and see where they did a lot of the work on this case. 01:12:56.260 --> 01:13:00.620 They will keep it open for one hour for you all if you so desire. 01:13:00.620 --> 01:13:07.580 And I want to again thank you and your entire staff for the hard work, 01:13:07.580 --> 01:13:14.660 the tireless work, for helping the family get answers, and helping all of us get answers. 01:13:14.660 --> 01:13:15.980 Thank you, we'll keep you informed. 01:13:15.980 --> 01:13:21.540 We hope that Dr. Roger Mitchell can come and 01:13:21.540 --> 01:13:26.940 present to the media on next Thursday in Atlanta, Georgia. 01:13:26.940 --> 01:13:31.060 We'll keep you updated, press at bencrump.com, can answer your inquiries. 01:13:31.060 --> 01:13:35.740 We'll try to get the medical examiner's report up on social media, 01:13:35.740 --> 01:13:42.420 add attorney crump on IG and Facebook and TikTok and all platforms. 01:13:42.420 --> 01:13:43.020 Thank you all. 01:13:43.020 --> 01:13:48.180 Thank you. 01:13:48.180 --> 01:13:50.940 For you that are still here, we're going to be open for an hour. 01:13:50.940 --> 01:13:52.780 It's suite 210. 01:13:52.860 --> 01:13:56.220 We ask if the hallway's full, coming in, give it a minute. 01:13:56.220 --> 01:13:59.860 People can cycle through the forensic laboratory if you want to see some of the equipment that's used 01:13:59.860 --> 01:14:04.810 and all the big computers, Lincoln and all that stuff, come on up. 01:14:04.810 --> 01:14:07.250 Yes, when you come up, I have a team. 01:14:07.250 --> 01:14:11.130 Hey, who's got the thumb drives? 01:14:11.130 --> 01:14:11.970 He's got some. 01:14:11.970 --> 01:14:15.210 I don't know if we have enough for everybody, so please share and copy. 01:14:15.210 --> 01:14:16.130 It's not that large. 01:14:16.130 --> 01:14:16.650 Thank you.